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A Relationship Between Personal Income and Gambling?

by J. Money on Wednesday, May 1, 2013

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Got this email from a fellow sexy reader, wondering how gambling may fall into the whole budgeting equation here. Which I personally find AWESOME because it A) means he’s not an addict! (Anyone who formulates a plan before betting everything on black has a good head on their shoulders in my eyes ;)) and B) means we get to talk about poker and blackjack today! Yay! Stuff we normally don’t get to talk about here on a finance blog… I believe the last time we did was with our confessions of a professional poker player series? Like, 4 years ago??? Jeez…

So let’s get this party started!

J,

Is it possible to make a direct (and logical) correlation between gross income and the maximum amount of money that one can (or should?) use for gambling purposes?

A majority of folks would probably take the stance that gambling is stupid and any amount > 0 is too much. However, for those who find it as entertaining as I do, there has to be a relationship between personal income and gambling stakes. For example, if someone makes $50k a year, he probably isn’t playing $1000/hand in blackjack. But what should this person be gambling with, per bet and as a percentage of income?

Thoughts?

I think it has more to do with your personality and risk tolerance than it does gross income or an amount to set aside for gambling. I wouldn’t play $1,000 blackjack hands whether I was making $50k or $500k! Haha… but that’s cuz I’m more financially conservative – even though I LOVE me some casinos. I’d rather plop down at the Hold ‘em table with a $100 pot and see how large I can grow it instead. And then maybe if I was up a few hundred or so I’d be making larger – $100+ bets – within the game over the one time drops in Blackjack. Which always sucks my money anyways :)

Gambling aside, though, I DO think it’s smart to put a certain % aside to do whatever you please with it so you can keep sane and generally happy. Whether it has to do with playing blackjack, or buying fancy widgets, or even splurging on $100 bottles of wine. The *what* doesn’t really matter so much, as does the mentality and being OK with some “play” money. And 5% of, say $100k, is going to be a LOT more money to have fun with than 5% of $30k! But that’s okay – it’s the way budgeting works and only motivates you to keep on pushing forward and growing that income of yours.

Another route you can go is to just increase your “entertainment” budget portion too, if you don’t have or want a “fun” section, for example. Cuz really that’s what gambling is at the end of the day: money in exchange for exhilarating entertainment, only with a chance to win some money in the end! Which you then replenish your fund with and keep on going strong – as long as you’re not one of those people who goes back and forth to the ATM every time you lose your allotted amounts ;)

That’s how I handled our weekly poker nights back in the day when Texas Hold ‘em was all the rage – remember that? Even my MOM was getting into it! Haha.. I gave myself something like $20 every week to play, but once it was gone it was gone and if I ever came home with anything (about 25% of the time) it would go right back into replenishing this fund in case my budget got lowered down the line. It kept me both sane, and in check.

Those are my thoughts anyways…

Any gamblers want to chime in? Or anyone else with an opinion for our blackjack friend? :) As always, better to do stuff like this in moderation than to the extreme. Unless you’re a professional at it like my friend… who I should actually follow up with and get an update for us! I wonder if he’s won any big tournaments or jackpots lately?

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(Photo by Travis Isaacs)


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1 My Financial Independence Journey May 1, 2013 at 5:54 am

The maximum amount that anyone should gamble is zero. That being said, some people find gambling to be fun so they should budget for it just like they would budget for vacations, movies, or fancy dinners. I leave the exact percentage up to you.

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2 Lance @ Money Life and More May 1, 2013 at 7:24 am

I say make a reasonable entertainment portion of your budget and use that. I wouldn’t use a % per hand or anything like that though because if you go on a losing streak, you can still play .05% of your annual income per hand but 2,000 hands of losing and your whole annual income is gone!

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3 Greg@ClubThrifty May 1, 2013 at 7:34 am

I’d say a reasonable amount is whatever you feel you can afford to lose…and no more. If you are bringing $200 to the casino, be sure that $200 is in your entertainment budget to lose. For almost everybody, gambling is entertainment. If you win, that just makes it all the more fun!

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4 J. Money May 1, 2013 at 11:43 am

I like that answer – that’s pretty much what I do too.

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5 Free Money Minute May 1, 2013 at 7:40 am

My two cents: If you are going to gamble, make sure it is for entertainment purposes only and is an amount you can easily afford to lose. If you are trying to build wealth, I would steer clear of the gambling table as it is not where wealth is created. You ever wonder why casinos have luxurious spaces?

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6 Brian May 1, 2013 at 8:29 am

My wfie and I go to Vegas 1 – 3 times a year (it all depends on if she has to go for work and I tag along!). Neither of us are hardcore gamblers, but we do enjoy it. I am pretty much even-Steven and she is the lucky one who usually comes back ahead. We are pretty small patatoes in the gambling world. We usually just set aside some entertainment money and take it. I also use the cash back I have been getting from a rewards credit card too. We take advantage of promotions (last year we stayed in a suite at Paris Las Vegas, that had a view of the tower and the Bellagio fountains, for $50 out of pocket because of a promotion we did over the summer).

I also disagree with you have to assume you are going to lose it. Most people probably will, but if you stick to “winnable” games like blackjack and poker and know what you are doing you can walk away with a lot of money. There is a reason people are pros at both those games

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7 J. Money May 1, 2013 at 11:44 am

True true… at least with the games of more skill vs slot machines and pure luck.

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8 Jane Savers @ Solving The Money Puzzle May 1, 2013 at 8:46 am

Can people make money gambling? I would be interested to know if the average Joe can play to win and walk away if they are ahead or walk away when they have lost the budgeted gambling pot and not whip out the credit cards.

I like to play Blackjack online – the free play no money but I always win and it is tempting to see if I could win if there was real money on the table.

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9 J. Money May 1, 2013 at 11:46 am

That’s the hardest part for me to be honest – walking away when you just won! Especially if it’s early on and you just got there :) I once won like $200 in poker but it had only been 5 mins and I didn’t want to leave cuz I wanted to have fun still! So I told myself I’d rather play and lose it all in the next 3-4 hours sitting there than walking away with an extra $200. And so I played and I eventually lost, haha… But it sure was fun! And a good portion of it went to the $1.00 drinks too ;)

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10 Shafi May 1, 2013 at 9:23 am

I don’t think there can be any correlation between income and gambling. They are two entities independent of each other. You can make as much money as you can. Gambling is no good, period. You don’t have to have big income to gamble. Many lower income families gamble as well. But it can easily be considered an evil especially because it’s highly addictive.

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11 J. Money May 1, 2013 at 11:47 am

Right. The addictive part and low income are serious problems for sure. You def. have to know yourself well AND have the *extra* money available to sit down and play. At least in the perfect world.

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12 John S @ Frugal Rules May 1, 2013 at 9:23 am

I say just look at it as some sort of entertainment and budget for it…and do not take more than you can afford. When we go to Vegas it’s not really for the gambling, but we will take a small amount to gamble with just for fun. If we make a little off of it then great and if we don’t then oh well.

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13 @debtblag May 1, 2013 at 9:40 am

I just can’t do it. Whether I’m making $100 a year or $100,000, there’s something I just can’t stomach about sitting down and playing a game where I know the expected outcome is me losing.

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14 @debtblag May 1, 2013 at 9:43 am

On the other hand, I do enjoy spending time in Las Vegas, enjoying all the inexpensive drinks, buffets, and lifestyle, subsidized by all the gamblers :)

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15 J. Money May 1, 2013 at 11:47 am

Haha, that’s something!

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16 Jacob Erickson May 1, 2013 at 9:57 am

I love gambling, it’s a source of entertainment for me. That being said, you definitely have to have a budget for it or it can get out of control. I normally allot myself about $50 a month and think of it as an entertainment expense if I lose it, but if I win then it’s just a bonus.

I find it funny that so many people are completely against it. Do they realize any fantasy football league or march madness bracket is considered gambling as well? You just have to do it responsibly.

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17 J. Money May 1, 2013 at 11:48 am

Yep! Same with $1.00 lottery tickets – just on a much smaller scale :)

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18 too funny May 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Calling NLH gambling might be a little misleading. NLH, while full of variance, isn’t like the house constantly having an edge, like Black Jack.

I stick with 1/2 and 2/5 even though I could move up a lot. I’m just there for fun and to improve my game. Win some/lose some no big deal.

I’m generally the most well off person at the low stakes tables. And, furthermore, many 1/2 NLH poker players look really poor! The game is fun when you can put pressure on someone else who might be risking their weekly paycheck. Not having to worry about losing the money can give you an edge in NLH; or worrying too much can set you up for failure. So, to highlight the title, if it feels like to much it probably is!

J$ Hope to see you at MD Live when the poker room opens.

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19 J. Money May 3, 2013 at 2:27 pm

You know, that might be a good place for us to finally meet :) But no way I’m sitting down w/ you at those tables! I’ll be like one of your poor people to be pushed around!

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20 Jacob @ iHeartBudgets May 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm

I don’t gamble, but the key here is the word “BUDGET”. If you don’t have a set amount, that’s when it gets ugly. Having come from a household where my parents regularly gambled away the rent, I can tell you that when it goes bad, it goes REALLY BAD. Probably why I don’t gamble at all.

I went to Vegas for a week, and the house officially won. I lost $1, and that’s my lifetime gambling record. :)

And as a tax guy, I write off gambling losses for clients and NO ONE is ever up. NO ONE.

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21 J. Money May 3, 2013 at 2:28 pm

You can write of gambling losses??? How does that work? You should be able to write off ANYTHING then in that case, haha… #stumped

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22 Mike@WeOnlyDoThisOnce May 2, 2013 at 12:22 am

Depends what type of person you are, as you point out. Know your limits and what works for you… the rest is highly variable.

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23 Kevin Watts @Graduatingfromdebt May 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm

I mostly agree with what you said here. If you have a high risk tolerance and you set aside a certain amount for entertainment purposes then it shouldn’t be an issue. However, I know a lots of people who say they are going to one thing and then get on a losing streak and can’t stop it! I think it mostly depends on your personality.

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24 J. Money May 3, 2013 at 2:29 pm

I tend to be one of “those people” too when i go on a losing streak, it sucks… granted, I’m only playing with $20 or $50 max at any given point in time, but still – it eats away at you! Yet another reason I can’t go pro ever – it consumes me too much! (Though not like I don’t let things like blogging do that now, haha…. at least it doesn’t cost me money :))

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25 SavvyFinancialLatina May 3, 2013 at 11:47 am

I’m not a gambler. I hate losing money! That being said, I would start a piggy bank for gambling. Any lose change can go to the casino. I know this is what my grandma does. She loves the slot machines even though she’s lost most of her vision due to cataracts!

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26 J. Money May 3, 2013 at 2:29 pm

Awwwwwww

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